With respect, the questions you should be asking are, a) did Hamas not know what Israel’s response would be to its rampage, and b) did it care? Sadly the answers I believe are a) yes, it did know, and b) it didn’t care.
No offense, but your answer reflects your agreement towards the devastating situation in Gaza right now, I don’t have to mention in details it wouldn’t change a thing by you. So, I’m going to level with you.
If there were no blockade to begin with, no power harassment by IDF, no discrimination as a result of the apartheid ideology of Israel, there would be no Hamas attack on the 7th. We can see this event as a reply to what Israel did since 2005, including the 2014 bombardment killing 3000 Palestinians.
You are forgetting a little history. Hamas took over Gaza violently from the Palestinian Authority. They refused the conditions of the Quartet which were basically to agree to the agreements made between Israel and the PA.Instead they restated their goal of destroying Israel, only then did any blockade begin and became stronger as Hamas fired more missiles at Israel. There could have been a Palestinian State in 1999 at Camp David but Arafat was not able to end the armed struggle and instead began the bus bombings. Olmert offered Abas almost everything but he could not say yes. So yes I believe its terrible that innocent people in Gaza are suffering, but if there is ever a chance for peace at least in my grandchildren's lifetime Hamas must be eliminated and its ideology been proven to be a dead end. I do not know how to do that without the death of innocents along the way, since Hamas fights from amidst innocents. If you have a better way I am all ears. But you might not share my basic premise that as long as Hamas is significant force all we will have is more violence.
Ok, we can talk about history and all later, I’m also into it and know that there’s diverse views on this (you can mention me anytime here), but in here, let’s limit the scope of discussion. I’m all interested in your opinion on the recent event. The questions to be answered, and please don’t twist it like the western press do, are:
1. Do you think there should be a ceasefire now?
2. What do you think is the endgame for the current attack by Israel to Gaza?
3. How effective is it to achieve goal as you answer in no. 2?
I am criticizing what happens now, regardless the cause. That’s why my very first question in the comment was “have you ever questioned your govt?”
There can be a one day ceasefire if Hamas lets the Red Cross visit all the hostages. One day ceasefire for every 10 hostage released, but nothing for free. The end game has to be the elimination of Hamas as a functioning government and the destruction of every weapon and means of creating weapons. I do not know the answer to question 3 I am sure Hamas has prepared surprises for the Israeli army but I believe the IDF has also prepared their own surprises. As to questioned your government. I spent every Saturday night since January and many days in between protesting my government. When it was formed I wrote a column for Newsweek saying that the government was Israel's worse enemy, so yes I have criticized the government and I do not trust the current government at all.
Thank you for answering it clearly and to the point.
1. So from your answer, correct me if I’m wrong, I get that you are also okay with the ongoing civilians bombardment (over 7000 casualties now, 6x than that of Israeli’s, of whom mostly are women and kids). By the way your leaders talk about Gazan people as “inhuman animals”, I get the sense that they aim to kill them indiscriminately.
In addition, if you/your govt concern is to save the hostages, how would you know that they’re not killed by the bombs struck at the very same place as the so-called “hamas base”? I see inconsistencies of your govt actions as if saving the hostages have never been the priority. Or they already know where the hostages are but leave them be as an excuse to keep bombing.
2. If the priority is to get rid of hamas, what’s with the tension and palestinian casualties in the west bank? I think it is done to keep them in order and not joining the ongoing uprising otherwise it’d be getting out of hand. Besides, as the most sophisticated military in the world, it should be easy to get info from the most blockaded region in the world. Personally speaking, Israeli militias undermined al qassam’s capability and are losing face now. Thus the retaliation and condescending language in public.
3. Despite our differences, I’d like to appreciate your participation in democracy and it’s good to know that somebody from inside questions their own govt.
Absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing can justify or rationalize the murderous, malicious intent of Hamas, delivered with glee for all the world to see. THOSE who support Hamas and all the rot currently oozing from Gaza must step up to provide refuge to all Palestinians IF Israel is to have a small possibility of survival, anything less supports the complete destruction of Israel-even with the removal of the rot currently existing in Gaza, Israel will not be safe from the stated goal of “complete annihilation” but it would at least then have a small possibility of only having to defend itself on one front! (Against multitudinous foe)
We existed. We made mistakes no doubt, but the underlying problem is that at no point I history were the people we share this land with willing to accept the fact that we are here permanently and not like the Crusaders who left
How can a neighbor can be okay with your presence if you take their houses and being yelled at and accused as terrorist (read: settlers) on their own land? The conflict started from a point, and it was at the founding of Israel.
Jews were already in Palestine before and they had lived peacefully. Zionism and its manifestations destroy all that, fueled by greed, over-proudness that borderlines with fascism (again, “inhuman animals” and such), and the control of western govts.
Due to the very same cause of the current conflict: zionism. Powered by the Brits. Through the one-sided mandate of Balfour Declaration to give Jews self-determination but not for the Palestinian arabs (no Palestinian reps involved, betrayed by the British).
Now, in such circumstances, should they give the land then? Same analogy as my previous comment.
Just got a new update on Gaza. Crazy how arrogant and barbaric your country is. Whatever you say to defend it, it’s no brainer to see that what your country’s doing now is beyond inhumane. You’ll have no future, except with wars. If it’s not hamas, there’ll be another. Uprising will never end until the truth wins, and hypocrites surrender.
I know that despite the continuing lifeline cut-off to civilians in Gaza that is devastating 2.2 mil people, supporting the other side won’t be happening for you and your fellow Israelis due to conflict of interest, but have you ever questioned the info you get from your govt/mainstream western press?
With respect, the questions you should be asking are, a) did Hamas not know what Israel’s response would be to its rampage, and b) did it care? Sadly the answers I believe are a) yes, it did know, and b) it didn’t care.
No offense, but your answer reflects your agreement towards the devastating situation in Gaza right now, I don’t have to mention in details it wouldn’t change a thing by you. So, I’m going to level with you.
If there were no blockade to begin with, no power harassment by IDF, no discrimination as a result of the apartheid ideology of Israel, there would be no Hamas attack on the 7th. We can see this event as a reply to what Israel did since 2005, including the 2014 bombardment killing 3000 Palestinians.
You are forgetting a little history. Hamas took over Gaza violently from the Palestinian Authority. They refused the conditions of the Quartet which were basically to agree to the agreements made between Israel and the PA.Instead they restated their goal of destroying Israel, only then did any blockade begin and became stronger as Hamas fired more missiles at Israel. There could have been a Palestinian State in 1999 at Camp David but Arafat was not able to end the armed struggle and instead began the bus bombings. Olmert offered Abas almost everything but he could not say yes. So yes I believe its terrible that innocent people in Gaza are suffering, but if there is ever a chance for peace at least in my grandchildren's lifetime Hamas must be eliminated and its ideology been proven to be a dead end. I do not know how to do that without the death of innocents along the way, since Hamas fights from amidst innocents. If you have a better way I am all ears. But you might not share my basic premise that as long as Hamas is significant force all we will have is more violence.
Hi, thanks for showing up.
Ok, we can talk about history and all later, I’m also into it and know that there’s diverse views on this (you can mention me anytime here), but in here, let’s limit the scope of discussion. I’m all interested in your opinion on the recent event. The questions to be answered, and please don’t twist it like the western press do, are:
1. Do you think there should be a ceasefire now?
2. What do you think is the endgame for the current attack by Israel to Gaza?
3. How effective is it to achieve goal as you answer in no. 2?
I am criticizing what happens now, regardless the cause. That’s why my very first question in the comment was “have you ever questioned your govt?”
There can be a one day ceasefire if Hamas lets the Red Cross visit all the hostages. One day ceasefire for every 10 hostage released, but nothing for free. The end game has to be the elimination of Hamas as a functioning government and the destruction of every weapon and means of creating weapons. I do not know the answer to question 3 I am sure Hamas has prepared surprises for the Israeli army but I believe the IDF has also prepared their own surprises. As to questioned your government. I spent every Saturday night since January and many days in between protesting my government. When it was formed I wrote a column for Newsweek saying that the government was Israel's worse enemy, so yes I have criticized the government and I do not trust the current government at all.
Thank you for answering it clearly and to the point.
1. So from your answer, correct me if I’m wrong, I get that you are also okay with the ongoing civilians bombardment (over 7000 casualties now, 6x than that of Israeli’s, of whom mostly are women and kids). By the way your leaders talk about Gazan people as “inhuman animals”, I get the sense that they aim to kill them indiscriminately.
In addition, if you/your govt concern is to save the hostages, how would you know that they’re not killed by the bombs struck at the very same place as the so-called “hamas base”? I see inconsistencies of your govt actions as if saving the hostages have never been the priority. Or they already know where the hostages are but leave them be as an excuse to keep bombing.
2. If the priority is to get rid of hamas, what’s with the tension and palestinian casualties in the west bank? I think it is done to keep them in order and not joining the ongoing uprising otherwise it’d be getting out of hand. Besides, as the most sophisticated military in the world, it should be easy to get info from the most blockaded region in the world. Personally speaking, Israeli militias undermined al qassam’s capability and are losing face now. Thus the retaliation and condescending language in public.
3. Despite our differences, I’d like to appreciate your participation in democracy and it’s good to know that somebody from inside questions their own govt.
Absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing can justify or rationalize the murderous, malicious intent of Hamas, delivered with glee for all the world to see. THOSE who support Hamas and all the rot currently oozing from Gaza must step up to provide refuge to all Palestinians IF Israel is to have a small possibility of survival, anything less supports the complete destruction of Israel-even with the removal of the rot currently existing in Gaza, Israel will not be safe from the stated goal of “complete annihilation” but it would at least then have a small possibility of only having to defend itself on one front! (Against multitudinous foe)
Sounds like you got a lot of enemies. Maybe it’s time to reflect what did your country do wrong all this time 👍🏼
We existed. We made mistakes no doubt, but the underlying problem is that at no point I history were the people we share this land with willing to accept the fact that we are here permanently and not like the Crusaders who left
How can a neighbor can be okay with your presence if you take their houses and being yelled at and accused as terrorist (read: settlers) on their own land? The conflict started from a point, and it was at the founding of Israel.
Jews were already in Palestine before and they had lived peacefully. Zionism and its manifestations destroy all that, fueled by greed, over-proudness that borderlines with fascism (again, “inhuman animals” and such), and the control of western govts.
The first Arab riots against the Jews started in 1920, the Arabs were never willing to share the land.
Due to the very same cause of the current conflict: zionism. Powered by the Brits. Through the one-sided mandate of Balfour Declaration to give Jews self-determination but not for the Palestinian arabs (no Palestinian reps involved, betrayed by the British).
Now, in such circumstances, should they give the land then? Same analogy as my previous comment.
Just got a new update on Gaza. Crazy how arrogant and barbaric your country is. Whatever you say to defend it, it’s no brainer to see that what your country’s doing now is beyond inhumane. You’ll have no future, except with wars. If it’s not hamas, there’ll be another. Uprising will never end until the truth wins, and hypocrites surrender.
Thank you for the clarity you bring forth. Dr. Barri Cae
I know that despite the continuing lifeline cut-off to civilians in Gaza that is devastating 2.2 mil people, supporting the other side won’t be happening for you and your fellow Israelis due to conflict of interest, but have you ever questioned the info you get from your govt/mainstream western press?